*********************************** * * * DYNASTY WARRIORS 4 - Sun Ce FAQ * * Version 1.11 * * Created by Mythril Wyrm * * * *********************************** Table of Contents I. Legal Notice/Disclaimer II. Update History III. About Sun Ce IV. Unlocking Sun Ce V. Using Sun Ce A. Sun Ce's attacks 1. Regular attacks 2. Charge attacks 3. Mounted attacks 4. Other attacks B. Maximizing Sun Ce's effectiveness VI. Sun Ce's Weapons A. Weapon progression B. Sun Ce's 10th-level weapon VII. Sun Ce's Costumes VIII. Questions & Answers IX. Special Thanks X. Contacting Me To skip to a specific section, press Ctrl + F, type in a section name, and press Enter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I. Legal Notice/Disclaimer This FAQ is copyright 2003-2005 by Devin McCain. 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I take no responsibility for any embarrassment, injuries, or deaths that result from the use of this FAQ or any of the information contained herein. If you're that stupid, it's your own damn fault. Got that? Good. Now, let's move on to the fun stuff... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- II. Update History v1.00 - Completed all sections. There probably won't be any more updates unless someone sends me corrections. v1.01 - Made minor changes to a few sections. v1.10 - Made some formatting changes. v1.11 - Updated contact information. Made minor changes to a few sections. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- III. About Sun Ce Sun Ce's style name is Bofu. The following information about him is provided by Kongming's Archives: "Sun Ce was Sun Jian�s eldest son and the older brother of Sun Quan, the first Wu Emperor. Sun Ce was only seventeen years old when his father was killed in battle against Liu Biao. (1) Sun Ce stayed in the south and gathered a large following of people. These men included Huang Gai, Cheng Pu, Han Dang, and others that served under Sun Jian. Sun Ce also attracted many new talents such as Lu Fan, Zhang Zhao and Zhang Hong. At this time, Yuan Shu was still the major authorithy in the south, and Sun Ce went to see him in Shouchun to offer his services. (2) Sun Bofu was able to impress and win the loyalty of all that surrounded him by displaying great bravery and skill in battle. (3) He was also very proficient in the management of civil officials and allocation of resources. Yuan Shu often boasted about his new officer�s prowess but attributed all of Bofu�s victories to himself, which greatly annoyed Sun Ce and his men. Yuan Shu however did not feel like giving Sun Ce a command of his own. Instead, he appointed Sun Ce as Colonel Who Cherishes Righteousness and allowed him to fight rebels and barbarians in Danyang. In the year AD 195, Liu Yao started to threaten Yuan Shu�s power in the south and took Qua and Danyang from Sun Ce�s uncle Wu Jing. Sun Ce again went to see Yuan Shu in Shouchun and asked him if he could take troops from the main army and help his uncle to take back the lost teritory. (4) Yuan Shu figured that Sun Ce would not have much succes and only gave him fifteen hundred troops to command. By the time he arrived in Liyang, Yuan Shu�s Headquarters in the south, Sun Ce had increased his following to almost six thousand men. When Sun Ce arrived at Hengjiang, he immediately took over the command of the army from his uncle. On the advise of his aunt (Sun Jian�s younger sister and mother of Xu Kun), Sun Ce attacked Liu Yao�s depot at Niuzhu and took all the grain and weapons. (5) Sun Ce then turned north and defeated more of Liu Yao�s forces. During a battle against Zhai Rong Sun Ce was injured in his leg and retreated from the field of battle. Zhai Rong thought that Sun Ce had died and pursued his army. Sun Ce ambushed his troops and turned around to attack Zhai Rong again. However Zhai Rong increased his defenses and kept Sun Ce�s men outside. So he turned his forces around and occupied Qua where he set up his headquarters. Sun Ce took this opportunity to set up his forces and consolidate the region. (6) After occupying the city Qua, Sun Ce went to the hills to pray to his ancestors, along the way however he ran into an officer of Liu Yong, Taishi Ci, who wanted to arrest him. The two duelled but neither man could get the advantage. Eventually, Sun Ce�s generals arrived and Taishi Ci was forced to give up the fight. Sun Ce�s family was brought back to Qua, and his younger brother Sun Quan was appointed as chief of Yangxian County in Wu Commandery. Sun Ce now moved his forces against Xu Gong, the Grand Administrator of Wu Commandery. His father�s old friend Zhu Zhi was in command of Xu Gong�s army, and once he heard about Sun Ce�s return to Wu, he betrayed Xu Gong and chased him out of the Commandery. Sun Ce was reunited with his uncle Sun Jing in Wu, and then started his campaign against Kuai Ji Commandery and its Grand Administrator Wang Lang. (7) Wang Lang had his forces in Guling, just across the river, and thusfar Sun Ce was unsuccesful in his attacks. At one point, Sun Jing and his men went south towards a river crossing. At night, Sun Ce made sure that the usual amount of campfires were lit, to prevent the enemy from realising that some of his troops were missing. This strategy was a great succes and Wang Lang was completely surprised by Sun Jing�s attack in the rear. Sun Ce pursued Wang Lang to Dongye and killed Wang Lang�s ally Zhou Xin along the way. (8) Wang Lang�s forces surrendered and Sun Ce stabilized the area by putting down other disturbances. Sun Ce took the post as Grand Administrator of Kuai Ji and appointed his relatives and friends as authorities in the region. In the meantime, Yuan Shu abused the Hereditary Seal that he received from Sun Jian to proclaim himself Emperor of a new Dynasty. (9) Sun Ce wanted nothing to do with it and rebelled against Yuan Shu. Sun Ce guarded the roads to Yuan Shu�s Headquarters at Shouchun, and also invited all of his old friends that served Yuan Shu to join his cause instead. Wu Jing, Sun Ben and Zhou Yu officially joined him, and Zhou Yu also brought Lu Su, a man from Dong Cheng county and future successor to Zhou Yu�s position. (10) In AD 197, Sun Ce received an Imperial Edict through the hands of Wang Pu. It commanded Sun Ce to join in the attack against the rebel Yuan Shu, in return, the Emperor confirmed Sun Ce�s title as Grand Administrator of Kuai Ji and granted him the Marquisiate of Wucheng. In addition he was appointed as General Who Glorifies the Han. (11) However the Emperor also assigned a certain Chen Yu as the new Grand Administrator of Wu Commandery. Sun Ce was aware of the posibility that Chen Yu and Yan Baihu (a small-time warlord in the south) would threaten Sun Ce�s position. While Lu Fan led a surprise attack on Chen Yu, Sun Ce himself lead a decisive attack on Yan Baihu. Sun Ce took care of his immediate enemies and further strengthened his forces. But there were others in the south west that needed to be dealt with, a local band of barbarians led by Zu Lang, and the rogue forces of Taishi Ci, a former General under Liu Yao. Sun Ce took care of both threats without much difficulty, and both Zu Lang and Taishi Ci surrendered and served under Sun Ce from then on. (12) In AD 198, Liu Yao died and Hua Xin took over his forces. Huang Zu, the murderer of Sun Ce�s father, took advantage of Liu Yao�s death and extended his power towards Danyang, which was under the control of Zhou Yu at that time. The following year, Yuan Shu died in Shouchun and Liu Xun took over control. With three enemies on the north, west and south side of his teritory, Sun Ce had to think and plan carefully if he wanted to stay in control. Liu Xun had little food and was not receiving help from anyone, hence Sun Ce faked several attempts to becomes in order to lure Liu Xun into a false sense of security. Liu Xun fell for the trick, and led his troops against a wealthy county to procure food, while leaving his capital city, Huan in Lujiang, open to Sun Ce. The capital was easily captured by Sun Ce and Zhou Yu, and Liu Xun�s exploits against the County of Haihun were unsuccesful due to Sun Ce�s secret warnings. Another force, led by his cousins Sun Ben and Sun Fu, cut off Liu Xun�s army at Pengze. Liu Xun fled west and asked Huang Zu for help. Huang She, Huang Zu�s eldest son, led a fleet against Sun Ce. These armies however, were no match for Sun Ce and Zhou Yu, and Huang She was forced to retreat, leaving behind many men and ships. Sun Ce wrote a memorial to the Emperor regarding his victory over Liu Biao and Huang Zu. (13) Yuan Shu�s family members in Lujiang Commandery were taken into protection by Sun Ce. Yuan Shu�s son Yuan Yao later held a position in Sun Quan�s court, and his daugther married Sun Quan�s son Sun Fen. Yuan Shu�s daughter was later married to Sun Quan. With Liu Xun out of the way, Sun Ce turned his attention to Hua Xin in Yuzhang Commandery. He sent Yu Fan to negotiate a surrender, and the mission was a success. Liu Yao�s sons, who were in Yuzhang at that time, all served the Sun family when they were older. Sun Ce also sent Zhou Yu and his cousin Sun Fu to attack Tong Zhi, the Grand Administrator of Luling. After a month. Luling Commandery was taken by Zhou Yu�s forces and Sun Fu was appointed as the new Grand Administrator. In the north, Cao Cao was successful in his war against Yuan Shao, and the recent victories of Sun Ce made him uneasy. In an attempt to make peace with the Sun clan, Cao Cao offered one of his brother�s daughters as wife to Sun Kuang, and his own son Cao Zhang married the daughter of Sun Ben. At this point, Sun Ce was faced with another rebellion lead by his old enemies Xu Gong and Yan Baihu in Wu Commandery. Sun Ce put down the rebellion and had Xu Gong strangled to death. Sun Ce wanted to wait for supplies for a few days and decided to go out hunting. However, as he was hunting, some of Xu Gong�s followers ambushes him. One of them shot an arrow into his jaw and Sun Ce was almost killed on the spot. His attendants soon came, killed the attackers and brought the wounded Sun Ce back to his camp. When Sun Ce saw his mutilated face, he became very upset and his wounds were torn open in agony. That night. on May fifth in the fifth year of Rebuilt Tranquility, at the age of twenty- five. (14) Sun Ce, an accomplished military strategist, laid the foundation of the early Kingdom of Wu, and paved the way for his younger brother Quan, who eventually became the first Emperor of their country. Sun Ce was admired and loved by his officers and attendants, and in many ways he carried the spirit of his father Sun Jian with him through his work. After Sun Quan ascended the throne as Emperor of Wu, Sun Ce was posthumously titled King of Changsha. (1) Sun Jian died in AD 191, his body was brought to Qua where it was buried. Sun Ce and his mother went to Qua, and after the mourning period they moved to Jiangdu County in Guangling Commandery. (2) Jiangbiao Zhuan records the first visit of Sun Ce to be in AD 193. he adressed Yuan Shu and his court, but was not given any substantial command at that time. (3) When Sun Ce was in Shu County, he was the guest of the Zhou family. He became good friends with Zhou Yu, who later joined his campaign as advisor and leader. Zhou Yu was greatly impressed with Sun Ce and they were like brothers. In SGZ, Sun Ce�s mother said that she considered Zhou Yu to be her own son. (4) From Generals of the South, quoting Jiangbiao Zhuan, Sun Ce said to Yuan Shu: 'In the past, my family was well regarded among the people of the east. I wish to help my uncle attack Hengjiang. When Hengjiang is taken, I would go to my own distict and call up soldiers, and I could get thirty thousand men to help you give aid to the house of Han.' (5) From Xu Kun�s SGZ biography, his mother said: 'I am afraid Liu Yao�s people may bring a fleet of their own to attack us, and this would be dangerous. How can we afford to wait any longer? We should cut rushes and reeds to make rafts, and those will supplement the ships we already have to ferry the army across.' (6) According to Jiangbiao Zhuan: 'Sun Ce was still young, and although he had his rank and had become well known, all the soldiers and people called him "Young Gentleman Sun". When men heard that Young Gentleman Sun was coming, they quite lost spirits, and the local magistrates and other officials would abandon the cities and run away to hide and open country. Then he would arrive, and the men of his command respected order, and they did not dare to rob or plunder: not even chickens or dogs or vegetables were stolen. And so the people were extremely pleased, and they would all come to bring cattle and wine as a welcome to the army.' (7) Wang Lang was no ordinary man. He was a noted scholar of the Confucian texts and was well liked by men such as Zhang Zhao and Hua Xin. Later on, when Cao Pi ascended to the seat of Wei Emperor, Wang Lang held a high position in the bureaucracy. The biography of Wang Lang in the SGZ chapter 13. (8) This Zhou Xin was the brother of Zhou Yu of Kuai Ji. Zhou Yu was defeated earlier on by Sun Ce�s father Sun Jian. For more information see Sun Jian�s Comprehensive Officer Biography. (9) After his battles against Dong Zhuo, Sun Jian found the Imperial Jade Seal of the Han in the abandonned city of Luo Yang. There are several anecdotes and stories about what happened to the seal, the most logical of al these stories is that Sun Jian simply gave the seal to Yuan Shu. As Sun Jian�s superior, Yuan Shu would expect to be given any spoils of war. I have accepted this version of the story. (10) Wu Jing was the brother of Sun Jian�s wife the Lady Wu, and thus Sun Ce�s uncle. Sun Ben was the son of Sun Jian�s brother Sun Qiang and Sun Ce�s cousin. Zhou Yu, like we discussed earlier in note 3, was a man from Lujiang and childhood friend of Sun Ce. (11) These appointments were not as spectacular as it may sound. Sun Ce had already earned his position as Grand Administrator, and being Sun Jian�s first child, he would except to be given the Marquisate of Wucheng. Originally, Wang Pu was would appoint Sun Ce as Chief Commander of Cavalry, but Sun Ce felt he deserved a higher appointment. (12) From SGZ, Sun Ce released Taishi Ci�s bounds after he was captured and said. 'Do you remember when we met at Shenting? What would you have done, if you had captured me then?' Taishi Ci replied, 'I cannot imagine.' Sun Ce laughed and said, 'Everything I have now, I will share with you.' (13) Upon reading the memorial, Cao Cao exclaimed: 'That Wolf-cub! He will be difficult to deal with.' (SGZ Wu, quoting Wu Li) (14) There is a score of different folk tales relating to the death of Sun Ce and the taoist Gan Ji. However, since none of these sources have solid factual evidence, I have accepted the story of his death as described in Wu Li." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IV. Unlocking Sun Ce To unlock Sun Ce, simply clear Act II of Wu's Musou Mode. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- V. Using Sun Ce A. Sun Ce's attacks 1. Regular attacks S - A left-to-right swing. SS - A right-to-left swing. SSS - A straight thrust with both tonfas. SSSS - A roundhouse kick. SSSSS - A left-to-right downward swing. SSSSSS - A flying kick. X + S - A spinning kick. 2. Charge attacks T - Sun Ce grabs and lifts an enemy with his left hand and does a quick, powerful strike with one of his tonfas. This attack is unblockable, but it doesn't gain elemental properties if you have an orb equipped. ST - Sun Ce does a bicycle kick that knocks the enemy into the air. SST(T) - Sun Ce does a series of left-to-right upward and right-to-left downward strikes with his tonfas. He finishes up with two spinning kicks, the second of which stuns the enemy. As your weapon levels up, you can do additional tonfa strikes (up to six) by pressing T repeatedly. SSST - Sun Ce does a spinning attack with both tonfas that sends the enemy flying. SSSST(T) - Sun Ce does a backflip and kicks the enemy high into the air for a follow-up attack. SSSSST(T) - Sun Ce throws a flurry of punches, finishing up by striking the enemy with both tonfas. X + T - Sun Ce punches the ground, knocking down any nearby enemies. 3. Mounted attacks S - The standard series of alternating right and left strikes. Fast, but lacks reach. T - Three quick kicks to one side. Musou - A series of faster and stronger right and left strikes. Meh. 4. Other attacks Dash attack - A roundhouse kick followed by a straight kick. Counterattack - A spinning attack with both tonfas. Same as the T of his SSST combo, but unblockable. Musou - Sun Ce walks around and does a series of strikes with his tonfas, finishing up with a flying leap that knocks away all surrounding enemies. True musou - Same as his regular musou, but juggles more easily and adds a fire element and four punches before the leap. B. Maximizing Sun Ce's effectiveness Sun Ce takes some practice to use well. His attacks can be hard to aim and control, his defense and bow defense are rather low, his mounted attacks are nearly worthless, and he gets only four item slots when maxed out in rank. He also has a rather short reach, and a Wind Scroll does little to improve it. Once you learn to compensate for Sun Ce's weaknesses, he can be quite deadly. He has a good balance of speed and power, fast attacks, and many combos that are good for juggling. Get up close and personal, and use your SSST combo to scatter groups of peons. Your SST(T) and SSSSSS combos will clear crowds more effectively as your weapon levels up, and also work well against officers. Sun Ce's musou, too, is effective against both generals and crowds, so use it as often as possible. Get good enough at controlling it, and you'll be able to manuever behind blocking enemies and hit them in the back. SSSSST(T) is useful for racking up combos, but will often miss unless you're standing right next to an enemy or have knocked him or her into the air. Finally, there's a trick to hitting with Sun Ce's T attack: aim slightly to the right of your intended target. Unless you like getting hit by air charges, however, you should only use it against officers who are stunned or distracted. I recommend the following equipment for Sun Ce: Harness: Shadow Harness/Red Hare Harness Orb: Fire Orb/Vorpal Orb Items: Tiger Amulet, Tortoise Amulet, Elixir, Herbal Remedy/Wind Scroll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- VI. Sun Ce's Weapons A. Weapon progression Lv. 1-3 Lv. 4-6 Lv. 7-9 Lv. 10 Tonfa -----> Studded Tonfa -----> Conqueror -----> Overlord B. Sun Ce's 10th-level weapon Overlord (Attack +54) Where To Get It: Unification of Jiang Dong How To Get It: Defeat Liang Gang, then wait for Zhou Yu to be defeated and the supply depot to be captured. Approach Ji Ling to make Liu Xun start retreating to the supply depot. Before he gets there, defeat Chen Ji, Yue Jiu, and Li Feng to receive the 10th-level weapon message. How I Did It: As soon as the battle started, I rode southwest and killed Liang Gang and both of Yuan Shu's officers. The enemy captured the supply depot about 8:00 into the battle, and I backtracked to defeat Chen Ji and Yue Jiu. I also softened up Li Feng, but made sure I didn't kill him. I then headed south and defeated Yuan Shu to open the southwestern gate. Liu Xun started to retreat as I approached him from the south; I rode past Ji Ling and a couple of officers and eventually overtook him. I made my way to the supply depot, quickly dispatched the weakened Li Feng, and eliminated Liu Xun after receiving the 10th-level weapon message. My total time was a little over 13 minutes. You don't have much to worry about while obtaining this weapon, since you're the supreme commander and should be strong enough to annihilate all of the generals in this battle by the time you have Sun Ce's 9th-level weapon. The only hard part of obtaining it is beating Liu Xun to the supply depot. Defeat Chen Ji and either Yue Jiu or Li Feng before approaching Ji Ling to make things easier on yourself. It makes more sense to keep Li Feng alive, since he's closer to the western entrance of the depot. Ignore Ji Ling and any officers you encounter while racing Liu Xun to the depot; he'll beat you there if you stop to fight them. If you absolutely have to defeat all of the generals and officers in the battle before killing the supreme commander, defeat them after you've obtained the weapon. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- VII. Sun Ce's Costumes Costume 1: Default costume. My personal favorite. Costume 2: A palette swap of costume 1. Earned at 6000 points. Costume 3: Same color scheme as costume 1, but Sun Ce changes his hairstyle and dons a headband. Earned at 20000 points. Costume 4: A palette swap of costume 3. Earned at 20000 points. Costume 5: Sun Ce's costume from Dynasty Warriors 3. Earned at 60000 points. Costume 6: A palette swap of costume 5. Earned at 60000 points. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- VIII. Questions & Answers Q: Why a Sun Ce FAQ? A: It hadn't been done yet, and I think he's a really fun character to use. He has one of the most original weapons in the game, too. Q: Sun Ce's a cheap ripoff of the hero from Suikoden II! A: That's not a question, and it's just plain wrong. I won't be convinced otherwise until I see Sun Ce's and Zhou Yu's True Runes and learn that Zhou Yu tried to end the war by seducing Dong Zhuo's sister. Q: Sun Ce was a very lucky man. A: If we knew that the historical Da Qiao was anything like her Dynasty Warriors 4 persona, I'd agree with you. Q: I fulfilled the requirements to obtain Sun Ce's 10th-level weapon, but I didn't get it! What gives? A: Make sure that you have his 9th-level weapon, that you're playing on Hard, and that you personally defeat all of the required generals. Q: Your FAQ sucks! I've crapped out better FAQs than this! A: As soon as you find a way to upload excrement, you should post your wondrous creation for all to see. Q: I posted my FAQ, and every gamer on the planet thinks it's better than yours! Your FAQ really DOES suck! A: Congratulations! I am in awe of your superior FAQ-writing skills! Now go away. Q: This is the best FAQ I've ever read! You're a genius and a god among men, and I want to know more about you so that I can immortalize you! A: Yeah; I get that a lot. My contact info's listed below. Q: <insert some question that has nothing to do with Sun Ce or the FAQ here> A: See the second sentence of my previous answer. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IX. Special Thanks I would like to thank... ...KOEI and Omega Force, for creating the Dynasty Warriors series. ...Muni Shinobu, for writing informative character unlocking and 10th-level weapon FAQs. ...Kongming's Archives (http://www.kongming.net) and its contributors, for being a wealth of information on the Three Kingdoms period. ...CJayC, for posting this FAQ. ...Leo Chan, for posting this FAQ. ...you, for reading this FAQ. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- X. 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