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Shining Soul II
Fusing / Forging FAQ
Copyright 2004 Jason Campbell (SilverFox79)
Version 1.00
shining_soul_2_forging.txt
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/Table of Contents\____________________________________________________________
Fusing vs. Forging Disclaimer - FUSE01
Introduction - INTRO02
Materials - MAT03
Grades & Levels - GRLV04
Selling Price Ranges for Each Material - PRICE05
Mixed Materials - MIX06
Placement of Materials - PLACE07
Results (Forged Item List) - LIST08
Money Given to the Smith - GOLD09
Failed Forging - FAIL10
In Closing - CLOSE11
Top 10 Most Frequently Forged Items - TOPTEN12
Frequently Asked Questions - FAQ13
Contact Information - CONTACT14
Requests - REQUEST15
Credits - CREDIT16
Legal Stuff - LEGAL17
Version History - HIST18
Pointless Points to Ponder - POINTS19
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________________________/Fusing vs. Forging Disclaimer\________________________
\__________[FUSE01]___________/
Thanks to Cryptoniyte for pointing out to me that the official name for the
process is "Fusing," used by the Smith's Apprentice in Klantol Castle.
I will use the term "Forging" throughout the FAQ, as it is interchangeable,
and it is also a term I am more comfortable with using.
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________________________________/Introduction\_________________________________
\_[INTRO02]__/
Forging, in Shining Soul II, is the process of taking 3 pieces of the five
raw materials in the game, placing them on the Smith's table, and tossing him
some cash for him to pound you out a shiny new item.
Most, if not all, of the most powerful pieces of equipment in the game are
obtained through forging.
This FAQ was inspired by the numerous posts on the GameFAQs message boards
regarding forging, how to obtain items through forging, Grades and Levels of
respective Items and Ores, etc. It was mentioned in several places on the
boards how no one had strung this information together into a Forging FAQ.
So, here's my attempt at it. =)
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__________________________________/Materials\__________________________________
\_[MAT03]_/
There are five different materials you can gather in order to forge equipment
with. These are Bone, Scale, Mithril, Dark Matter, and Orihalcon.
---Grades and Levels [GRLV04]:
(I will use the term "Level" throughout this FAQ. The word "Echelon," seen
throughout the boards, FAQs, and related websites, has the exact same meaning.)
To determine an Ore's Level with regards to its Grade:
Grade 0-99 = Level 0
Grade 100-299 = Level 1
Grade 300-499 = Level 2
Grade 500+ = Level 3
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___________________/Selling Price Ranges for Each Material\____________________
\________________[PRICE05]_____________/
The Golden Rule of Forging:
*****It is the TOTAL price that matters!*****
On the right are the total prices of all three pieces on the Smith's table.
Individual prices are given ONLY for a reference!
Individual prices are the range on the left, divided by 3, and rounded
accordingly. These values are also for 3 pieces of the same material. Mixed
materials are covered below.
Bone - Total (Grade * 1) Bone - Individual
Level 0 = 0-99 Level 0 = 0-33
Level 1 = 100-299 Level 1 = 34-99
Level 2 = 300-499 Level 2 = 100-166
Level 3 = 500+ Level 3 = 167+
Scale - Total (Grade * 2) Scale - Individual
Level 0 = 0-198 Level 0 = 0-66
Level 1 = 200-598 Level 1 = 68-198
Level 2 = 600-998 Level 2 = 200-332
Level 3 = 1000+ Level 3 = 334+
Mithril - Total (Grade * 10) Mithril - Individual
Level 0 = 0-990 Level 0 = 0-330
Level 1 = 1000-2990 Level 1 = 340-990
Level 2 = 3000-4990 Level 2 = 1000-1660
Level 3 = 5000+ Level 3 = 1670+
Dark Matter - Total (Grade * 20) Dark Matter - Individual
Level 0 = 0-1980 Level 0 = 0-660
Level 1 = 2000-5980 Level 1 = 680-1980
Level 2 = 6000-9980 Level 2 = 2000-3320
Level 3 = 10000+ Level 3 = 3340+
Orihalcon - Total (Grade * 25) Orihalcon - Individual
Level 0 = 0-2475 Level 0 = 0-825
Level 1 = 2500-7475 Level 1 = 850-2475
Level 2 = 7500-12475 Level 2 = 2500-4150
Level 3 = 12500+ Level 3 = 4175+
The safest way of ensuring you get the items you want, are to take 3 pieces of
your material within the individual price ranges given. for example, 3 pieces
of Dark Matter between 680-1980 selling price each for a Level 1 Dark Matter
Item.
Individual prices are only provided as a general rule of thumb. Remember that
higher grade ores can be effectively "toned down" with ores that have a lower
selling price. If you have two Level 3 ores, and want a Level 1 Item, this is
very possible, it just takes a little math and a lower grade ore to reduce the
total price.
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______________________________/Mixed Materials\________________________________
\____[MIX06]____/
At this point in time, I'm unsure how mixed materials fall on the Level and
Price Range table. I have a theory I'm testing:
Theory: Find each ore's individual grade by dividing its selling price by the
number listed below:
Bone = 1
Scale = 2
Mithril = 10
Dark Matter = 20
Orihalcon = 25
Total the Grades to find the item's Level. See the chart in the Grades &
Levels section.
Example:
4200 Ori, divide by 25 = 168
980 Mit, divide by 10 = 98
4500 Ori, divide by 25 = 180
168 + 98 + 180 = 446
446 = Between 300 & 499, so it would be a Level 2 Item.
After several tests, this theory is still holding true. I will presume it as
fact until I receive proof that discredits it.
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| Before you forge, SAVE YOUR GAME! I know it's tedious and all, but there's |
| a reason for this. Hard reset your game if you don't get favorable results. |
|_____________________________________________________________________________|
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____________________________/Placement of Materials\___________________________
\______[PLACE07]_______/
Where you put your materials matters!
Smith's Table: (Forgive my awful ASCII Art...)
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| ___ ___ ___ | Abbreviations:
| | | | | | | | Mithril = Mit
| | 1 | | 2 | | 3 | | Dark Matter = DM
| |___| |___| |___| | Orihalcon = Ori
|___________________|
|_______________|
/ \
So, if the list says "Ori - Mit - Ori," that translates to a piece of Orihalcon
in place 1, a piece of Mithril in place 2, and another piece of Orihalcon in
place 3. Lastly, if the list says "DM x 3," this means that there is a piece
of Dark Matter in all 3 slots.
Notes:
All Level 1 Forged Weapons require Skill Level 3.
All Level 2 Forged Weapons require Skill Level 5.
All Level 3 Forged Weapons require Skill Level 7.
Order Listed: Axe, Bow, Claw, Flail, Knife, Rod, Spear, Sword, Hood, Helm,
Robe, Armor, Gloves, Shield. (Alphabetical Weapons, Light/Heavy Head,
Light/Heavy Body, Light/Heavy Hand)
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_________________________/Results (Forged Item List)\__________________________
\________[LIST08]__________/
***Individual Item Stats, Item Set Bonuses Coming Soon!***
Insane amounts of credit to Alex Ngo for the use of his forging and item lists!
Bone x 3
Level 0:
Bone Helm
Bone Armor
Bone Gloves
Bone Shield
Level 1: Level 2: Level 3:
Skeletal Helm Ivory Helm Fiend Helm
Skeletal Armor Ivory Armor Fiend Armor
Skeletal Gloves Ivory Gloves Fiend Gloves
Skeletal Shield Ivory Shield Fiend Shield
Scale x 3
Level 0:
Scale Helm
Scale Armor
Scale Gloves
Scale Shield
Level 1: Level 2: Level 3:
Lizard Helm Crocodile Helm Dragon Helm
Lizard Armor Crocodile Armor Dragon Armor
Lizard Gloves Crocodile Gloves Dragon Gloves
Lizard Shield Crocodile Shield Dragon Shield
Mit x 3
Level 1: Level 2: Level 3:
Heat Axe Giant Axe Dragon Axe
Gale Bow Sonic Bow Lunar Bow
Beast Claw Tiger Claw Berserk Claw
Lashing Flail Holy Flail Crushing Flail
Sharp Knife Butterfly Knife Assassin Knife
Mace Rod Milky Rod Alchemy Rod
Gale Lance Holy Lance Dragoon Lance
Elemental Sword Shiva Sword Levatine
Mithril Hood Zephyr Hood Adept Hood
Mithril Helm Impulse Helm Helm of Bravery
Mithril Robe Tribal Robe Grace Robe
Mithril Armor Eternal Armor Crusade Armor
Mithril Gloves Royal Gloves Illusion Gloves
Mithril Shield Fortress Shield Hero's Shield
DM x 3
All equipment forged with three pieces of Dark Matter is cursed.
Level 1: Level 2: Level 3:
Executioner Cursed Axe Evil Axe
Diabolic Bow Blood Bow Cantarela Bow
Deadly Claw Demon Claw Foxglove Claw
Unholy Flail Death Flail Evil Flail
Will Knife Blood Knife Demon Knife
Grave Digger Nether Rod Demon Rod
Ruinous Lance Dark Lord Spear Devil Lance (Fork?)
Murasame Muramasa Darkside Sword
Unlucky Hood Eclipse Hood Demon Hood
Black Helm Dread Helm Evil Helm
Mortal Robe Greed Robe Demon Robe
Black Armor Malice Armor Evil Armor
Killer Gloves Crypt Gloves Demon Gloves
Black Shield Bane Shield Banishing Shield
Ori x 3
Level 1: Level 2: Level 3:
Buster Halberd Soul Axe Apollo Axe
Doppler Bow Soul Bow Sagittarius Bow
Justice Claw Soul Claw Gehenna Claw
Alabaster Flail Soul Flail Ark Flail
Fairy Knife Soul Knife Ripper Knife
Eternal Wand Soul Rod Will Rod
Mercurius Spear Soul Lance Hozon Lance
Masamune Soul Blade Lord's Sword
Lucky Hood Soul Cap Saint Hood
Force Helm Holy Light Helm Glorious Helm
Solar Robe Soul Robe Saint Robe
Force Armor Order Armor Glorious Armor
Justice Gloves Soul Gloves Saint Gloves
Force Shield Reflex Shield Divine Shield
Mit - Mit - DM
Level 1: Level 2: Level 3:
Flame Robe Burning Robe Phoenix Robe
Flame Armor Burning Armor Phoenix Armor
Flame Shield Burning Shield Phoenix Shield
Mit - DM - Mit
Level 1: Level 2: Level 3:
Fire Axe 1 Fire Axe 2 Fire Axe 3
Fire Bow 1 Fire Bow 2 Fire Bow 3
Fire Claw 1 Fire Claw 2 Fire Claw 3
Fire Flail 1 Fire Flail 2 Fire Flail 3
Fire Knife 1 Fire Knife 2 Fire Knife 3
Fire Rod 1 Fire Rod 2 Fire Rod 3
Fire Spear 1 Fire Spear 2 Fire Spear 3
Fire Sword 1 Fire Sword 2 Fire Sword 3
DM - Mit - Mit
Level 1: Level 2: Level 3:
Flame Hood Burning Hood Phoenix Hood
Flame Helm Burning Helm Phoenix Helm
Flame Gloves Burning Gloves Phoenix Gloves
Mit - Mit - Ori
Level 1: Level 2: Level 3:
Thunder Robe Plasma Robe Spark Robe
Thunder Armor Plasma Armor Spark Armor
Thunder Shield Plasma Shield Spark Shield
Mit - Ori - Mit
Level 1: Level 2: Level 3:
Bolt Axe 1 Bolt Axe 2 Bolt Axe 3
Bolt Bow 1 Bolt Bow 2 Bolt Bow 3
Bolt Claw 1 Bolt Claw 2 Bolt Claw 3
Bolt Flail 1 Bolt Flail 2 Bolt Flail 3
Bolt Knife 1 Bolt Knife 2 Bolt Knife 3
Bolt Rod 1 Bolt Rod 2 Bolt Rod 3
Bolt Spear 1 Bolt Spear 2 Bolt Spear 3
Bolt Sword 1 Bolt Sword 2 Bolt Sword 3
Ori - Mit - Mit
Level 1: Level 2: Level 3:
Thunder Hood Plasma Hood Spark Hood
Thunder Helm Plasma Helm Spark Helm
Thunder Gloves Plasma Gloves Spark Gloves
DM - DM - Mit
Level 1: Level 2: Level 3:
Poison Robe Nox Robe Deadly Robe
Poison Armor Nox Armor Deadly Armor
Poison Shield Nox Shield Deadly Shield
DM - Mit - DM
Level 1: Level 2: Level 3:
Venom Axe 1 Venom Axe 2 Venom Axe 3
Venom Bow 1 Venom Bow 2 Venom Bow 3
Venom Claw 1 Venom Claw 2 Venom Claw 3
Venom Flail 1 Venom Flail 2 Venom Flail 3
Venom Knife 1 Venom Knife 2 Venom Knife 3
Venom Rod 1 Venom Rod 2 Venom Rod 3
Venom Spear 1 Venom Spear 2 Venom Spear 3
Mit - DM - DM
Level 1: Level 2: Level 3:
Poison Hood Nox Hood Deadly Hood
Poison Helm Nox Helm Deadly Helm
Poison Gloves Nox Gloves Deadly Gloves
DM - DM - Ori
Level 1: Level 2: Level 3:
Shadow Robe WeiB Robe Hatred Robe
Shadow Armor WeiB Armor Hatred Armor
Shadow Shield WeiB Shield Hatred Shield
DM - Ori - DM
Level 1: Level 2: Level 3:
Darkness Axe 1 Darkness Axe 2 Darkness Axe 3
Darkness Bow 1 Darkness Bow 2 Darkness Bow 3
Darkness Claw 1 Darkness Claw 2 Darkness Claw 3
Darkness Flail 1 Darkness Flail 2 Darkness Flail 3
Darkness Knife 1 Darkness Knife 2 Darkness Knife 3
Darkness Rod 1 Darkness Rod 2 Darkness Rod 3
Darkness Spear 1 Darkness Spear 2 Darkness Spear 3
Darkness Sword 1 Darkness Sword 2 Darkness Sword 3
Ori - DM - DM
Level 1: Level 2: Level 3:
Shadow Hood WeiB Hood Hatred Hood
Shadow Helm WeiB Helm Hatred Helm
Shadow Gloves WeiB Gloves Hatred Gloves
Ori - Ori - Mit
Level 1: Level 2: Level 3:
Ice Robe Frost Robe Blizzard Robe
Ice Armor Frost Armor Blizzard Armor
Ice Shield Frost Shield Blizzard Shield
Ori - Mit - Ori
Level 1: Level 2: Level 3:
Ice Axe 1 Ice Axe 2 Ice Axe 3
Ice Bow 1 Ice Bow 2 Ice Bow 3
Ice Claw 1 Ice Claw 2 Ice Claw 3
Ice Flail 1 Ice Flail 2 Ice Flail 3
Ice Knife 1 Ice Knife 2 Ice Knife 3
Ice Rod 1 Ice Rod 2 Ice Rod 3
Ice Spear 1 Ice Spear 2 Ice Spear 3
Ice Sword 1 Ice Sword 2 Ice Sword 3
Mit - Ori - Ori
Level 1: Level 2: Level 3:
Ice Hood Frost Hood Blizzard Hood
Ice Helm Frost Helm Blizzard Helm
Ice Gloves Frost Gloves Blizzard Gloves
Ori - Ori - DM
Level 1: Level 2: Level 3:
Celestial Robe Lunar Robe Solar Robe
Celestial Armor Lunar Armor Solar Armor
Celestial Shield Lunar Shield Solar Shield
Ori - DM - Ori
Level 1: Level 2: Level 3:
Shining Axe 1 Shining Axe 2 Shining Axe 3
Shining Bow 1 Shining Bow 2 Shining Bow 3
Shining Claw 1 Shining Claw 2 Shining Claw 3
Shining Flail 1 Shining Flail 2 Shining Flail 3
Shining Knife 1 Shining Knife 2 Shining Knife 3
Shining Rod 1 Shining Rod 2 Shining Rod 3
Shining Spear 1 Shining Spear 2 Shining Spear 3
Shining Sword 1 Shining Sword 2 Shining Sword 3
DM - Ori - Ori
Level 1: Level 2: Level 3:
Celestial Hood Lunar Hood Solar Hood
Celestial Helm Lunar Helm Solar Helm
Celestial Gloves Lunar Gloves Solar Gloves
Mit - DM - Ori
To my knowledge, these can be in any order.
Level 1: Level 2: Level 3:
Chaos Axe 1 Chaos Axe 2 Chaos Axe 3
Chaos Bow 1 Chaos Bow 2 Chaos Bow 3
Chaos Claw 1 Chaos Claw 2 Chaos Claw 3
Chaos Flail 1 Chaos Flail 2 Chaos Flail 3
Chaos Knife 1 Chaos Knife 2 Chaos Knife 3
Chaos Rod 1 Chaos Rod 2 Chaos Rod 3
Chaos Spear 1 Chaos Spear 2 Chaos Spear 3
Chaos Sword 1 Chaos Sword 2 Chaos Sword 3
Burial Hood Ritual Hood Apostate Hood
Burial Helm Ritual Helm Apostate Helm
Burial Robe Ritual Robe Apostate Robe
Burial Armor Ritual Armor Apostate Armor
Burial Gloves Ritual Gloves Apostate Gloves
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__________________________/Money Given to the Smith\___________________________
\________[GOLD09]________/
This is placed last on the FAQ for two reasons: One, it is the last thing you
do, and two, because it is one of the most irrelevant things with regards to
forging items. You can give the Smith 1 Gold, and he'll forge you an item.
Money given only affects the item's bonuses - the "plusses" after the item's
name (e.g. Banishing Shield +4, Evil Helm +8, etc.). These bonuses range from
+1 to +20. The more money you pony up, the better chances you have of getting
a large bonus.
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_______________________________/Failed Forging\________________________________
\____[FAIL10]__/
Every once in a while, the forging process will result in a failure. This is
when you forge 3 pieces of ore and get a "normal" item, with a suffixed mod and
usually a bonus. I use the term "failure" loosely, because it can generate
some really nice items.
Also, forging anything that results in a Level 0 Item will be a guaranteed
failed forging. The exceptions are Bone and Scale, which have a Level 0 Item
list.
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_________________________________/In Closing\__________________________________
\[CLOSE11]_/
Did you get the item you were aiming for? If so, great! If not, was the item
you DID receive on the same list as the one you wanted? If it was, then you're
on the right track, keep trying! If it was on a different list, then compare.
Was your target item on a lower Level list? Lower your ore's total selling
price to hit your target item. If your target was on a higher Level list,
then raise your ore's total selling prices to hit your target item.
If you didn't get the item you desired, or your forging attempt failed, you can
always perform a hard reset on your game (as stated previously). You'll have
your ores and your money back to try again. Forging is a time consuming
project that can take quite a bit of patience, especially if you're looking for
one particular item.
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_____________________/Top 10 Most Frequently Forged Items\_____________________
\_____________[TOPTEN12]____________/
***Update Coming Soon!***
1. Unlucky Hood (Level 1, DM x 3)
2. Blood Weapons (Level 2, DM x 3)
3. Soul Weapons & Armor (Level 2, Ori x 3)
4.
5.
6.
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9.
10.
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__________________________/Frequently Asked Questions\_________________________
\_________[FAQ13]__________/
Q: Nice item lists and all, but what does all this stuff DO?
A: For now, all I can say is, please consult the other FAQs for item
descriptions. I plan on adding them in a later update.
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______________________________/Contact Information\____________________________
\____[CONTACT14]____/
Please feel free to e-mail me with questions, corrections, submissions, and/or
suggestions related to this FAQ. I'm also available via MSN.
[email protected]
Please include "Fusing / Forging FAQ" in the subject line. Thanks!
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_________________________________/ Requests \_________________________________
\[REQUEST15]/
*A little ASCII art, especially a title.
*Questions for the FAQ section. Answering these adds to the detail of this
FAQ.
*Contributions to the Top 10 List.
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_________________________________/ Credits \__________________________________
\[CREDIT16]/
*Sega and Atlus, for producing this very enjoyable action-RPG.
*GameFAQs, for giving me the opportunity to present this FAQ.
*Alex Ngo ([email protected]), for letting me use his Item and Forged
Items list.
*Skyknight, for a ton of helpful information on the boards, especially related
to the Grades, Levels, and Price Ranges Section.
*Cryptoniyte, for correcting me on the Fusing vs. Forging issue.
*mastersord, for informing me of the ore grade/price range changes.
*Raijinili, for pointing out I'd forgotten the DMx3 armors.
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_________________________________/Legal Stuff\_________________________________
\_[LEGAL17]_/
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_______________________________/Version History\_______________________________
\____[HIST18]___/
Version 1.00: 7/6/2004
Version 1.01: 2/19/2005
-Ore price ranges scaled to grade.
-Headers added.
Version 1.02: 2/27/2005
-DM x 3 Armors added.
-New host sites added.
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